*Disclaimer I LIKE J.Cole. Just wanted to clear that up for you guys lol.*
Ahem, Shawn, do you KNOW what type of shit storm you just caused for your understudy? In a perfect world, a statement like this would shut up every naysayer from here to Sydney, Australia. But we all know this isn’t a perfect world because if it was, there would be a Coldstone, Calamari, and a store selling nothing but leggings and wifebeaters to women through the ages of 21-35 within WALKING distance of The Ivey Inn. Instead, I have to hop in my car and drive 5 minutes down the road to get Coldstone and 20 minutes to get a Beef Burrito, all of which the female servers are HIDEOUS. I digress.
Earlier today, the good folks of RU plastered a piece on their site about Mr. Carter calling Jermaine’s debut project a “classic.” No other words, though there are a BILLION other adjectives to use, that man used “Classic.” Now be that as it may, we might have to give King Hov, well not according to Rolling Stone, some breathing room as he’s probably possessed Cole World: The Sideline Story for quite some time. Hell, the man was there from start to finish so he MIGHT know what he’s talking about. But wait, we’re dealing with a biased opinion for obvious reasons so it might be his job to deem this fresh piece of work a classic to the masses right?
From what we’ve observed thus far from Cole’s rookie debut, classic material hasn’t wiggled it’s way into our ear drums. And this is no form of hate, as said before I’m a fan of the North Carolina upstart, but truth is truth,what we’re currently hearing isn’t classic material. “Work Out” is JUST starting to make it’s way into my daily playlist and that’s only because I want to put Bernice Burgos in a viscous but lovable figure 4 on a deserted island on my birthday. Sidebar: This is the second time Jermaine has brought out a scorching hot video vixen without us knowing who the FUCK she was (the first one was from In The Morning visual with Sherbert.) Was this kid a talent scout for Playboy in his past life? Shit, I have to stop digressing.
I understand “Work Out” is one of those records the “public” needs to get familiar with Mr. Cole, but I’m quite sure there were plenty more joints that could’ve been selected. And I’ve only listened to the Trey Songz assisted “Can’t Get Enough” once because it pretty much sounds like….like….nigga I don’t even KNOW what that shit sounds like. I don’t know man. But, I’ve remained optimistic of this guy for a long time. And whenever I lose hope, I just revert back to the mixtapes The Warm-Up and Friday Night Lights to remind myself WHY I like this dude so much. Now that’s classic material.
Personally, a co-sign like that from Hov has to put an unreasonable amount of pressure on J.Cole. And I know no one asked me, no one ever does lol, but what happens if it’s not? What happens if it’s everything but a classic. I highly doubt this kid has the ability to put out a dud in any form or fashion, well in this LARGE form, but if it’s anything SHORT of a classic, good god the hail storm of criticism this kid will receive won’t be fair or fun. What could this possibly do to his confidence if he even juggles…..JUGGLES the co-sign Hov back handed on his forehead?
Maybe it was best if Shawn just did that signature head nod he does on stage when someone asked “So, how J.Cole’s album?” You can’t detect classic from that gesture right? Only, “Oh, Hov likes his project so I will too.” My man Kaz from The Source, however, said he heard some joints from the project and said the shit was hard. And Kaz is rarely ever wrong. Hell he’s the one that got me hooked on “Rollin” so maybe Hov is on to something. Maybe Roc Nation’s golden goose has a classic on his hands.
Enough of my rambling, what do you guys think? Is Hov right? Was the co-sign to early? Are those two singles early signs of a flop or a classic? I’m here all night.
Again, I like J.Cole lol. *Turns on “Disgusting”
I. Out
Cole World: The Sideline Story hits September 27th
The first thing you hear when you turn on Watch The Throne is the vocals of Frank Ocean. If that’s not a career high, I don’t know what is. But, can he get any higher? Was it safe for such a BRAND NEW artist to be featured twice on one of the most ANTICIPATED albums in the past five years? What’s next for the R&B rookie? Did he skip any steps? The JumpOff TV Lounge Crew debates.
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We’re baaaaaack! Former undisputed tag team champions at BET, LowKey and Andreas Hale are back due to popular demand with our real time album review on Twitter titled “Two Twits Talking Sh*t.” If you’re new to the dance, this is where we go back and forth reviewing albums track by track on Twitter in real time. The only difference is that now we can house the chat on both of our respective websites. If you missed the live discussion, check out the recap below.
1) No Church In the Wild (feat. Frank Ocean)
AH: Nasty sample here bruh. Mr. Ocean on the vocals…
LK: Kanye wasn’t playing.
AH: Uhhhh…Ye’s verse was straight. But Hov murked him.
LK: Kanye came straight from the club and recorded this “Sunglasses and Advil.”
AH: Oh…tell that brutha 88 Keys (@eightyocho) that he went ape on “No Church In The Wild.”
LK: “No Church In The Wild” started off WTT the proper way.
2) Lift Off (feat. Beyoncé)
LK: Musically, it’s dope, but it just didn’t fit directly after “No Church In The Wild” Best Buy bonus at best.
AH: Am I the only one slightly over Beyonce’s singing?
LK: I’m sorry, but I cant understand a damn word Shawn Carter is mumbling. Of course they would have a countdown on “Lift Off” how awesome. The latter of this song > the former of it.
3) N—as In Paris
LK: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! God damn @HitBoy_SC #N*GGAWHAT
AH: This is that Hit Boy joint that everyone’s been talking about? First impression, I hate it.
LK: Ye was truly disrespectful. “Come and meet me in the bathrooom stallllllllllllllll.”
AH: How many people are going to say “That sh*t cray” all week. Ugh
LK: “That sh*t cray” is already being used. Overkill. But damn if this shit aint cray. Lol!
AH: I’m not a fan of this joint. Maybe in a drunk club atmosphere…
4. Otis (feat. Otis Redding)
LK: THIS should have been the first taste of WTT. The excitement jumped so much when this hit.
AH: I feel bad for this song. It’s been raped by every rapper alive.
LK: Luxury rap at its FINEST.
AH: Lots of rich negro quotables by Hov. “I’ve got 5 passports, I’m never going to jail.” “I write my curses in cursive” That’s sophisticated nignorance by Kanye.
LK: Do you scream with the sample at the end? I do. I know, I’m a weirdo.
AH: Yes, I scream with the sample at the end of “Otis” until it hurts.
5. Gotta Have It
LK: Not ONE rapper can start off a verse with “LOL” Oh Yeezy…
AH: I’m not moved right now. I #KanyeShrug at Kanye.
LK: More luxury rap. But, Pharrell got loose. I wanna play this while waiting in line at Chipotle.
6. New Day
AH: Ahem…The RZA! Now THIS I can get with.
LK: These men are ready for some baby boys. They’re scared sh*tless, but they’re ready
AH: Some introspection without the douchebaggery from ‘Ye.
LK: ‘Ye is going to kill himself if his offspring turns out like Daddy. And yes, RZA’s production is effortless.
AH: Shouldn’t a RZA and Jay-Z collaboration been happened?
LK: “I just wanna take you to a barber” – Jay. The pain of an absent father still hurts. And it should.
AH: Both of the cats delivered in a major way. The Daddy Song.
LK: Subliminal messages to their “other” youngins Big Sean and J.Cole?
7. That’s My Bitch
AH: How you go from a absent father song to this? SMH slowly.
LK: I wonder how Papa Knowles feels about this song lol?
AH: Kanye shreds the opening verse. *thumbs up*
LK: Jay loves talking about his wife. Just loves it. Ol softie.
AH: I dunno though…something feels off about this album. Sequencing is killing the album…in a bad way
8. Welcome to the Jungle
AH: All I heard about was this Swizz joint. Lemme see…
LK: I love Swizz’s adlibs lol. RIGHT!
AH: Ummmm…must not be this song. Regular Swizz beat. *shrug*
LK: Jay was going through something when he did this. This isn’t the Jay we’re used to.
AH: “I Look In The Mirror My Only Opponent” someones BBM status.
LK: He walked through Marcy for this one. Something was BOTHERING Hov that night. He didnt even let lil brother breathe on this.
9. Who’s Gon Stop Me
AH: Daaaaaaaamn. Where’s Bun B and Pimp C when you need them???
LK: Dubstep sample. More luxury rap, though.
AH: I’ma flip a table over to this. Right on top of a little kid.
LK: This basically saying “Yall n*ggaz aint f*ck with us, EVER”
AH: Jay-Z’s verse has more $$$$ than Ye’s though…
LK: Jay’s verse is a completely different song. “Chill lil brother, let me take this one”
10. Murder to Excellence
AH: Is this an Indiggo sample? Swizz put his foot in this one.
LK: They’re not pleased with the community STILL killing each other
AH: Thank God we got a break from the luxury raps.
LK: “Domino domino, always spot fewer blacks the higher I go” D.A.M.N. This isn’t the same Jay and Kanye from those other raps.
AH: When Kanye and Jay-Z get socially conscious, they win big. Where’s @SymbolycOne at? He demolished the 2nd half!!! *applauds* @SymbolycOne This is filthy disgusting *pukes*
11. Made In America (feat. Frank Ocean)
LK: I definitely shed a tear after listening to this at the listening session. NO BULLSH*T. Tell me it doesn’t work. You tell me right NOW this doesn’t sound heavenly.
AH: Mr. Ocean singing “Sweet Baby Jesus” though? *facepalm*
LK: “Then she met No I.D and gave me his number” THAT LINE SUMS IT ALLLLLLLL UP!
AH: Kanye bled his soul just a little bit and upstaged Hov. Not feeling Ocean on this track though. It doesn’t work where it’s at on the album.
LK: Ye’s life story is always entertaining. Especially when it’s condensed.
12. Why I Love You (feat. Mr. Hudson)
AH: Who invited Mr. Hudson to this party?
LK: I wonder if Dame and Beans listened to this one yet. If not, can we get em to?
AH: Hov: “F*ck you squares, the circle got smaller.” Sounds like Hov recorded this song with a spiked glove on.
LK: Hov needed to get some MORE sh*t off his chest. Straight stiff armed lil bro, AGAIN
AH: Jay-Z always rhymes like he feels sorry for his haters.
13. Illest M———-r Alive
LK: I’m completely in love with this sh*t. Start to finish. “I need a slow motion video right nooooow”
AH: Things do look better in slow motion, word to Dave Chappelle.
LK: “Bullet proof condoms when I’m in these hoes.” #N*GGAWHAT? Get em Yeezy
AH: Kanye lyrically backhanded Amber Rose.
LK: Sounds like Jay went to a wack ass club that night LOL!
AH: This album makes me feel really, really broke.
14. H.A.M
*who cares*
15. Primetime
AH: I’m digging the darkness of this track. Jay punched it in the face.
LK: Jay’s number raps tho? And I hate math. But sh*t…. “They dont want nobody that’s color out of the lines” SH*T!
AH: The beat is like a depressed “College Dropout” leftover.
LK: I can see why it was a deluxe offering. But I’m grooving to it. Them piano chords though. Scary.
16. The Joy (feat. Curtis Mayfield)
AH: Y’all heard this joint. One of my favorites. We need more Pete Rock. FIN
The Verdict
LK: Out of 5? I’m going to give this puppy a 4.0. Sequencing was off and “Lift Off” delayed my high. Tough tough product tho
AH: Did WTT live up to the hype? Nope. It’s solid. Sequencing killed it. A little too much “rich negro” rap for me. Love when they went the socially conscious route. Watch The Throne was like year one of the Big 3 in Miami. Couldn’t live up to expectations. I’ma have to give it a 3.75 out of 5. It’s just too all over the place for me. We all know what they COULD do, they just didn’t quite DO it. Kinda like LeBron and them. Jay-Z and Kanye are supposed to win a championship. They didn’t. Successful season though.
Kanye West – Speech @ Big Chill Festival from Trendsetter4Life on Vimeo.
Just some more stuff Ye wanted to get off his chest during his performance at The Big Chill Festival in the UK last night. Towards the latter of his speech, you can hear the crowd growing restless with his commentary. You think Ye gives a shit? Nope. Watch The Throne drops TONIGHT!
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The Combat Jack Show (Watch The Throne Edition) 8-3-11 by PNCRadio
You know what happened Tuesday morning. You can hear my part at the 55 minute mark. Thoughts????
Boo hoo, my name is Curtis Jackson and my label won’t push my subpar material. Boo hoo, my name is Curtis Jackson and my ONCE mentor Dr. Dre has some cool headphones, didn’t incorporate me and now I’m going to make my own and bite the hand that feeds me in the process. Boo hoo my name is Curtis Jackson and I just can’t get it together! What the FUCK, FIF?
Contrary to popular belief, and I know this may sound extremely strange, but you’re NOT always going to be the center of attention. I know man, it sucks..I hate not being the center of attention, but you know what? We GET OVER IT. What’s this I hear you’re going to leak Dr. Dre’s new single because he wouldn’t get the monster that is Interscope behind your Black Magic album? Nigga WHAT? What kind of name for an album is that anyway?
What’s going on with you? Is this a Lloyd Banks thing? Are you aggie your understudy got busy over the past 24 months WITHOUT your assistance? That he went and got Yeezy on a record and dominated the charts? Oh I know you remember Mr. West. Yeah, that’s the guy you SWORE wouldn’t beat you in album sales and he did without blinking. I digress.
I remember hearing you say in an interview that you didn’t come to HOT 97′s Summer Jam because you didn’t want to be the “featured artist?” Ummm Curtis, that’s not always a BAD thing. It’s called “BUILDING YOUR BUZZ BACK UP.” So what you don’t have a “RECORD” out, appearing on a platform like THAT might introduce you back to the masses since you’re presence is pretty much obsolete right now.
Curtis, is there something going on that we need to know about? I mean for GODSAKE’S The GAME has a release date! Jayceon Taylor! Butterfly tattoo! Once he gets hold of this news, he’s going to create a mixtape solely around THIS topic. That’s what you need for motivation? Mr. Taylor dissing you? Damn homey, in 2003 you were th….dah nevermind, I’m sure you know how the saying goes.
And then you go off and sign with Shawty Lo? The hell you going to do for him? Not for nothing, but artist who isn’t THAT relevant linking with another artist who is struggling for relevancy? That aint tight, dog (WHAD UP, MIKE!) Now you got L.O.s career in your hands and you can’t even get YOUR label to back your product. Nigga, you couldn’t revive the career of hip-hop titans Mobb Deep and M.O.P. what in the SWEET BABY BLUE EYED JESUS are YOU going to do for an ATL rapper? You better rethink some things my G.
Oh and if you think leaking your mentor’s single is going to speed up ANY process of you getting a release date or any kind of support from Interscope? Oh man you’re sadly mistaken. That building, westcoast and eastcoast are currently clearing out ANY promotional products and ideas they once had for you. Cmon man, don’t go out like this. It’s gut wrenching brother.
Fam, remember when you used to get on these niggaz instrumentals and completely destroy shit? I’m talking them freestyles Flex used to go NUTS for on HOT 97 with. When’s the last time you actually got busy over someones beat and talked that SHIT? That wasn’t fun to you? Maybe I care to much. Maybe I just want to see all my favorites propser. Maybe I should just chill, go pick up my shirt from the cleaners and make my way to the big apple. Fuck it, that’s what I’ll do. You ain’t gonna listen anyway lol.
Oh, remember those two dudes you came up with? I know you do. Remember when you guys did THIS and a couple years ago you did THIS? Like, SON!?!? Man nevermind, my oatmeal’s ready.
Oh and Mr. Weiss fired back, but I’m sure you knew that already.
Sincerely
Low “Get your shit TOGETHER, FIF” Key
*Turns On “Otis”
This is something we’ve probably longed for since God knows when. We dreamed it, but never thought it would become a sincere reality. The chemistry between these two onstage is pretty impeccable. Ye dripping with excitement because big brother finally decided he was ready to share the big stage. Jay finding inspiration from his understudy despite his crazy antics throughout the years. These two are ready. We smelled it coming when they announced their Watch The Throne project, but just didn’t know if they would make it happen.
Then, on the morning of July 25th, the unbelievable became believable: The Throne was going on a world tour to show WHY the throne resides in their possession. Now I’m sure a MAJORITY of you readers have experienced either Jay and/or Ye in some live capacity either separately or as a collective. And if you haven’t, you’ve seen countless amounts of footage of these two popping up at each other’s shows. More recently, The Vevo Station down in Austin, Texas for SXSW- a show I missed, but wasn’t pissed at all.
So, I bring you to the current inquiry at hand: What can we expect from The Throne? Who remember’s Ye’s “Glow In The Dark Tour?” Yeah, one of, if not the BEST show I’ve ever witnessed to date. Will there be huge theatrics? Will the two simplify the set and make it JUST about the presentation of the music? Will Ye open for Jay or will they alter throughout the night? The catalog’s of these two is EXTENSIVE to no end so the music is there, it’s all how they present it.
Personally, I’d love to see them battle it out. Not Ye open for big brother because that’s to predictable. But I’d LOVE to see Jay and Ye play a game of show me what you got. Open up with something off WTT…NOT H.A.M. I wouldn’t mind “Otis”. And then right after, form a friendly rivalry attempting to win the love and affection of whoever’s in attendance that night. A standard concert isn’t needed for these two, they need to make it fun. Interesting. I want to SWEAT. I don’t even want to sit down during the show.
Jay start off with “Show Me What You Got”, Ye come out of nowhere with “Can’t Tell Me Nothing, Jay return with “What More Can I Say.” Man, I know I’m not the only who thinks a friendly rivalry throughout the night wouldn’t be interesting. Ahhh whatever, you guys are boring and toooo cool for school lol.
But wait, here’s another idea…and it might be a stretch. Who’s going to open for these two? Ahh, here’s a great idea…since the project AND tour is called “Watch The Throne” why not have their current understudy’s OPEN the nights festivities? That’s right…J.Cole and Big Sean. You see where I’m going with this right? What better way to mold these two young knuckleheadz then have them on the road with the two dudes who changed their lives- forever. A quick 20 minute set from both Sean and Cole? I mean Cole’s album comes out 6 days after the tour starts (9.27.) Genius? Yes it is! I’d pay to see that shit. And I don’t pay for SHIT except my Egg Nogg.
I digress. But I’ve been wrestling with these thoughts ever since I heard of the tour announcement this morning. Am I off? On point? Talk to me ya punks lol! Tour dates, below!
9/22/11 Detroit, MI Palace of Auburn Hills
9/24/11 Toronto, ON Air Canada Centre
9/25/11 Montreal, QC Bell Centre
9/27/11 East Rutherford, NJ Izod Center
9/28/11 East Rutherford, NJ Izod Center
9/29/11 Washington DC Verizon Center
10/4/11 Philadelphia, PA Wells Fargo Center
10/6/11 Chicago, IL United Center
10/7/11 Chicago, IL United Center
10/8/11 Minneapolis, MN Target Center
10/10/11 Denver, CO Pepsi Center
10/13/11 Tacoma, WA Tacoma Dome
10/14/11 Vancouver, BC Rogers Arena
10/16/11 San Jose, CA HP Pavilion
10/17/11 Sacramento, CA Power Balance Pavilion
10/19/11 Los Angeles, CA Staples Center
10/20/11 Los Angeles, CA Staples Center
10/21/11 Las Vegas, NV MGM Grand Garden Arena
10/25/11 Dallas, TX American Airlines Center
10/26/11 Houston, TX Toyota Center
10/29/11 Atlanta, GA Philips Arena
10/30/11 Greensboro, NC Greensboro Coliseum
11/1/11 Baltimore, MD 1st Mariner Arena
11/3/11 Boston, MA TD Garden
I got a loud mouth, let’s just put that out there lol. Over the past 3-5 weeks I’ve been extremely vocal about my displeasure with how Jermaine and how these other new/unsigned artists have been moving in regards to getting their product into the right hands and between the right ears. Recently, two posts over here at UHTN (this one and this one) struck a positive AND negative chord with some of my faithful readers and Twitter followers. While we’ve been receiving a lot of praise for our outspoken and direct rhetoric, a few folks were disappointed in the fact that we only addressed the problem and have yet to provide a solution. I think you can see where I’m about to take you for the next 5 minutes.
First things first: Be different. A mixtape, EP, Street Album is OLD NEWS. Yes it’s the traditional way to get the fiends hooked, but coming straight out the gate KNOWING the consumer has not one CLUE what you’re about or even look like is just not the answer. Regardless of what you may hear or think, FREESTYLES are still in style. I know that leads up to an album or mixtape, but some of you like to skip steps and just throw full blown compositions out like we’re just going to sit there and listen to 16 tracks from the unknown. What if Clue here’s your freestyle and is jut BLOWN away? I’m telling you, all it takes is one joint. Keep them freestyles coming. And they don’t ALWAYS have to be the newest instrumental.
Is it tiring to continuously throw free shit out to the masses when you’re down to your last buck? Yep, I know it is. But if THIS is what you want, you’re going to have to sacrifice at some point or another. Personally, I don’t mind a freestyle every now and then. You know what that shows me? You’re paying attention to what’s going on, what kind of ear you have and do you have the ability to mesh well with the producer’s track you’re flowing over. And who knows, that specific producer may come and find you JUST because he likes you over his beats. You never know.
Approach. Quit with the deserving attitude. You don’t deserve SHIT. You are an unsigned artist who needs OUR help. That smug attitude some of you new niggas clutch onto is wack to the 10th degree. Like I said before, I understand you’re frustrated I get that but rethink your approach when you’re looking for exposure. I’m SURE you don’t go into Human Resources, sight unseen and bark “YO, YOU NEED ME ON YOUR STAFF…PUT ME ON!!” now do you? Nope, you sure don’t. You’re probably the most polite motherfucker because you know DAMN well if you don’t get a reoccurring pay check in the next two months Mr. Landlord is kicking that ass out. Which brings me to my next point: stay the FUCK off people’s timeline with the constant promotion. Good music will make its way to any inbox, iPod and/or A&R’s office.
Of course, Twitter cuts out the middle man but the way you new niggas promote on Twitter we WISH the middle man never vacated the premises. You really serious about this music shit? Introduce yourself and TALK to me. You don’t have to be my friend but damn at least make it LOOK like you give a fuck. That block button becomes extremely attractive when ya’ll get trigger happy with the music. Which brings me to my next point: emails. I understand it’s easy to put every blogger you like on one email, but best believe if you hit niggas with a generic message: TRASHED. We are people god DAMN IT, NOT ROBOTS! Again, introduce yourself we are people. We like to talk about bitches, liquor, movies and shit of that nature. If you follow us on Twitter and you relate to something we said, mention it. It’s cool. This business is about building relationships not just Hulkshare download numbers.
You still with me? Iight good. Does your city know you? Can I come to your town, step outside your block and ask “Yo, you know a MC whatever the hell your complicated name is? And if they respond NO, what makes you think people OUTSIDE your state should give a rats ass? Hometown support is SOOOOOOOO vital in this game it’s pretty absurd how some of you new niggas can’t see that. Can you sell out your local pub? Can you bring other local artists together? What’s your movement like OUTSIDE of WSHH and Twitter? AGAIN, it’s pretty easy to connect with folks on Twitter, I can’t lie. But if you happen to catch someones attention of importance and they ask these hometown questions, you just might be stuck homeboy.
Study. Study. STUDY! What worked for your favorite artist this year? What didn’t work? Why did it work? Why are you doing this? Is it fun? Does it make you happy? Do you wanna be famous, respected, wealthy? Why are you in this? Study yourself. Study your peers. Study your competition. Study your enemies. This is a game of strategy. Why am I becoming a consumer of your product? What’s your personality like? Will we gravitate to it once I discover you? This is your craft you’re choosing to become great in? We better see the progress. We better the evolution. We better see the struggle. You aint poppin bottles and fucking bitches 24/7…I KNOW you’re not. Sherbert is rich beyond our wildest imaginations and that nigga still goes through it. Study. Apply. EXECUTE.
That’s it for now. I hope I gave you guys enough kind words of encouragement to really get your shit going. Nah these aint the rules of success when it comes to this shit, just some stuff I’ve learned over the years. Questions, comments, threats and Bluemoon invites can be dumped on my Twitter timeline or email which is in the upper left hand corner.
Oh, if you’re in Dallas, Texas this weekend, I’ll be speaking at the Texas Music Conference so a lot of these talking points will be used once again with some more additional rhetoric. They have an open bar before the panel so I’ll probably be tipsy. What else is new, though lol.
Sincerely
Low “Was I mean?” Key
Lebron James wasn’t expecting for the NBA Finals to end the way they did. And when things concluded without James clutching that trophy, James let a couple jabs fly at his haters. Were they warranted? Are the spectators playing to rough with King James? What would Jordan do? Mr. Mecc, Valerie Lora, Jas Fly and Yours Truly sound off on Mr. South Beach.
RESPECT: JOTV
Umm, well damn Meth. Well, do you guys agree? Do Father’s deserve more credit for their contributions to society?
SPOTTED: SC
